Participants
Sara Verbsky; Vice President – Investor Relations; Snap-On Inc
Nicholas Pinchuk; Chairman of the Board, President, Chief Executive Officer; Snap-On Inc
Aldo Pagliari; Chief Financial Officer, Senior Vice President – Finance; Snap-On Inc
Christopher Glynn; Analyst; Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.
Gary Prestopino; Analyst; Barrington Research Associates, Inc.
David MacGregor; Analyst; Longbow Research
Luke Junk; Analyst; Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated
Brett Jordan; Analyst; Jefferies
Carolina Jolly; Analyst; Gabelli Funds
Presentation
Operator
Good morning, and welcome to the Snap-on Incorporated 2024 third-quarter results conference call. (Operator Instructions) Please note, this event is being recorded.
I would now like to turn the conference over to Sarah Verbsky, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Sara Verbsky
Thank you, Aaron, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us today as we review Snap-on’s third-quarter results, which are detailed in our press release issued earlier this morning. We have on the call Nick Pinchuk, Snap-on’s Chief Executive Officer, and Aldo Pagliari, Snap-On’s Chief Financial Officer.
Nick will kick off our call this morning with his perspective on our performance. Aldo will then provide a more detailed review of our financial results. After Nick provides some closing thoughts, we’ll take your questions. As usual, we’ve provided slides to supplement our discussion. These slides can be accessed under the downloads tab in the webcast viewer as well as on our website, snapon.com, under the Investors Section. These files will be archived on our website along with the transcript of today’s call.
Any statements made during this call relative to management’s expectations, estimates or beliefs or that otherwise discuss management’s or the company’s outlook, plans or projections are forward-looking statements and actual results may differ, materially, from those made in such statements. Additional information and the factors that could cause our results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements are contained in our SEC filings.
Finally, this presentation includes non-GAAP measures financial performance which are not meant to be considered in isolation or as a substitute for their GAAP counterparts. Additional information regarding these measures is included in our earnings release issued today, which can be found on our website.
With that said, I’d now like to turn the call over to Nick Pinchuk. Nick?
Nicholas Pinchuk
Thanks, Sara. Good morning, everyone. As usual, I’ll start with the highlights of our third quarter. I’ll provide my perspectives on the results, on our markets and on our path ahead. After that, Aldo will give you a detailed review of the financials. My perspective, I am encouraged. And we believe our third quarter was encouraging, another period of broad profitability growth and significant forward progress product and process success and clear traction in our Tools Group pivot to quick paybacks.
Of course, the quarter again had its challenges, ongoing macro pressures, creating obstacles of uncertainty, just like we’ve encountered before, but in the end, we adjusted. We stood the turbulence, took advantage of the opportunities and drove another strong earnings performance, and all of that is written clearly across the results. Here they are.
Third quarter sales of $1,147 million were slightly down from the $1,159.3 million recorded last year. On an organic basis, excluding $200,000 in unfavorable foreign currency translation and $7.2 million from acquisitions, our organic sales were lowered by 1.7%, but the OpCo operating income was up, and the OI margin was 22%, up 80 basis points, setting a new benchmark for our third quarters.
For financial services, the OI grew to $71.7 million. That’s up from the $69.4 million of 2023, a number that when combined with our OpCo result raised our consolidated OI margin to 26%, up 90 basis points from last year’s 25.1%, and EPS, it was $4.70, a nice gain from last year’s $4.51. Those are the overall results, marked by operating capability, structural balance and consistent resilience prevailing against significant headwinds.
Now let’s take a view of the market. During the third quarter, automotive repair remained robust. It continues to expand in complexity. New models enter the market, unveiling a rollout of new drivetrains, motor configuration, and high-tech electrical systems that control a neural network of sensors woven together that enable driver-assistant vehicle autonomy, all of it housed in modern chassis, fashioned out of state age materials.
And this cavalcade and sophisticated advancement combines with an aging car parc. Now we average 12.6 years to make fixing vehicles even more challenging. If you’re from Snap-on, this is music to your ears, and the hits just keep on coming, creating opportunities for years to come.
Let’s talk about organizations. The OEM, the dealerships, the independent garages, the segment that primarily focuses on infrastructure-type investments, recover things like renovating bays and upgrading repair equipment, meaning the challenges of new vehicle models and expanding shop capacities to match the rise of repair work driven by the ongoing increase in vehicle complexity.
New list to support the extra way to battery systems, sophisticated undercar equipment to calibrate the driver assist systems that enable vehicle automation and more powerful software suite for managing parts from service base and customer interfaces, enhanced vehicle communication devices to interact with the more complex design and more powerful repair information database to read, to diagnose, and to fix the vehicles of the now and of the future.
Our repair information group, or RS&I thrives in this world of complexity, serving repair shop owners and managers delivering solutions that make the full repair path much easier, paving a way forward with innovative dealership management systems, proprietary one-of-a-kind intelligent diagnostics platforms and the full array of — a full array of capable shop equipment.
Now the opportunities for the garage is strong, but uncertain interest rates, rumors of tax changes, and worries over the elections are all weighing on investment decisions, creating a mixed landscape across the market, but the overall outlook still remains quite positive, and we believe that Snap-on and RS&I are poised to participate fully in the abundant opportunities.
Now let’s shift to the technician market. These are the folks who decipher the data, touch the screen, diagnose the problems, pull the wrenches and wheel their extraordinary skills to execute the repair. It’s where our van network flies its straight.
In that regard, the third quarter is always a great time for me because it’s when we hold our annual Snap-on franchisee competency or SFC, it’s a gathering of men and women who drive the vans and call on hundreds of thousands of techs every week. It’s an unmatched connection to the world of vehicle repair. Again, this year, I had extended conversations with dozens and dozens of our franchisees and each encounter resonated with enthusiasm.
We say Snap-on for fails and turbulence and proceeds with confidence and the franchisees know it’s true. Now with that said, the micro-environment is still weighing on our technician customers with considerable uncertainty driven by the election and its perceived impact. The fears of ongoing inflation by border pressure and by the specter of prolonged wars. The shops are full. Tech wages are up. The hours are expanding and the demand for tech continues, and they have cash but there’s still confidence poor.
The bad news they get every day for breakfast is weighing on them. Right now, they’re hesitant on the future. And as such, the reluctant on big ticket items with longer paybacks. So to accommodate, the Tools Group continues to pivot, focusing on shorter payback items to match the technician’s current preferences. And the third quarter results confirm that it’s working.
So we believe the automotive repair market is robust. Current uncertainty notwithstanding, it’s a great place to operate. Now let’s turn to the critical industries where the penalty for failure is high. This is where our commercial and industrial group or our C&I makes its living. It’s challenging to work in environments like oil and gas platforms, mining sites and battlefields, but it also includes sensitive and sophisticated atmospheres needed to manufacture computer chips to build airplanes and to launch rockets.
The customers in this segment are organizations big and small. And they’re more influenced by the data than the text, interest rates, GDP, and industry demands. And as such, these segments are pretty positive.
And we see it in the results, growth in aviation, in defense and general industries and sectors that need our precision torque device to execute and document accuracy and the areas enabled by our custom kits packages that meet the specific needs of the task that improve quality, productivity and safety in other words, solutions that are right up our ally.
This is also the segment where our largest international presence is, and consequently, it’s the segment with the headwinds of geopolitical turbulence. In that regard, Europe continues to vary region by region. The South remains positive. But several countries, particularly in the North are dealing with difficulty in some cases, technical recessions.
And in Asia, it’s also mixed. China is still recovering from the pandemic and the effects of the extended lockdown. At the same time, Korea and Japan are resilient. So there are geographic challenges in the critical industries. But overall, this market is positive. The potential is considerable, and we believe we are well positioned to capitalize on these possibilities, or those in the market.
Now let’s — those are the — the automotive repair is mixed in the now, but broad potential for the future. And the critical industries are still robust and rich with opportunities. Now let’s talk about the operating groups. In C&I, sales of $365.7 million compared to $366.4 million registered last year. Sales, excluding $7.3 million of acquisition-related volume excluding the $7.2 million of acquisition-related volume, the organic sales were down by 2.1%.
From an earnings perspective, however, C&I OI $61 million approved by $2.9 million or 5% over last year. And the OI margin was 16.7%, up 80 basis points, expanding to — equaling the record high established in the last quarter. The major contributors were — major contributor was our industrial division, continuing its upward trajectory and strong profitability, welding the capacity provided by its new kitting center in Kenosha and meeting the rising demand for customized solutions along the way.
In addition to our investments in the kitting center, our acquisition amounts last year is rolling into its 12 months, and it’s been a valuable contributor meeting the needs of our customers for small precision torque. Torque continues to be — to rise in significance with critical industries — with critical industry customers.
And to meet this need, we packaged our existing medium and heavy-duty torque products with mouses lighter offerings, giving us a wide spectrum of clamping forces that are essential to the critical industry from oil and gas, the aviation to defense. We’re capitalizing on that opportunity, and the quarter showed it.
Our specialty torque business rose significantly, both in volume and in profitability. We also continued adding to our portfolio of professional cordless tools, engineered products aligned with the work performed and the expectations that techs doing repairs. For the serious people of work, new products can add great value and our quarter was marked by that effect.
For working on large equipment and over-the-road trucks, we unveiled a CT9175 3/4 inch 18-volt impact, not for the faint of heart. This unit delivers 1,550-foot pounds of bolt breakaway torque. It’s ideal for the most challenging jobs. The rugged lightweight housing shakes of harsh environment, the ergonomic design reduces stress and fatigue, pretty important when you reeled in 1,550 foot-pounds.
And the — this 9175 monster has a great feature set like LED spotlights, multiple power settings and a variable speed trigger to just apply the right torque to the job. It’s a great tool, just what you’d expect from Snap-on, powerful application, easy to use and very efficient. It’s a tool that tech increasingly want in their arsenal when they’re fighting the toughest jobs, the 9175. It’s a great productivity enhancer and the technicians have noticed.
One last thought about the results. C&I kept investing in the quarter, maintaining and expanding our advantage of product, brand, and in people. Operating expenses were 140 basis points of sales higher than last year. But with the benefits of rapid continuous improvement, or RCI, the value of new product — and the value of new products, gross margins rose by 220 basis points and the OI margin despite the spending was up 80 basis points, higher spending and higher profits without additional scales, boom shakalaka. That’s C&I. Innovative products, custom solutions, precision instruments, all combined to reach customers in critical industries and extend the Snap-on brand out of the garage with momentum and profitability.
Now for the Tools Group. Sales in the third quarter of $500.5 million included an organic decrease of 3.1% with a US decrease that was not much different. The OI margin in the period was 21.6%, down 40 basis points from the last year due to the lower volume. With that said, gross margins remained strong, improving 100 basis points driven by new product, RCI, and manufacturing efficiencies. That was quite a feat actually.
And during the period, our team maintained its focus on product development, designing solutions that make work easier and provide customers with a quick payback. And that pivot is taking hold. Closing the deficit, both overall in the US to less than half it was in the second quarter. And that trend was reinforcing the peers by sales being $18.5 million higher than the second quarter.
With summer vacation and SFC breaks, we haven’t seen the Tools Group up sequentially in the third quarter for some time. We believe it’s a sign of considerable momentum. The Tools Group’s coming back. Beyond the numbers, we held our annual SFC in August this year in Orlando with the tenants reaching 9,000 franchisees, guests and Snap-on associates. This tool show spanned over three football fields, showcasing the latest in product innovation, more than 4,500 SKUs strong.
The weekend also was packed with training sessions purposely designed to grow each fan’s business and expand the franchisees already substantial product knowledge, among those seminars was an in-depth review of our intelligent diagnostics portfolio with instructors connected directly to the vehicles, communicating with the cars in real time and clearly demonstrating our industry-leading advantage it attracted a lot of attention.
And we celebrated Saturday nights by transporting the entire crew and what could be described as an armada of buses, the Sea World for a night of rollercoasters, aquatic shows in a lot of fun. It was another memorable event, but principally, it serves as a testament to the unique bond that our franchisees hold with a Snap-on team.
I believe anyone attending would affirm that the franchisees left reassured on the power of our operation, enthusiastic, about the way forward with our enterprise and convinced that Snap-on really does prevail in difficulty and proceed with confidence. The product booths at this year’s event were pretty busy, especially near the cartway to heaven. It was an eye-catching and colorful wall of mobile tool carts.
The model that stole the show was our brand-new KRSC2460 flip-top roll cart, a unit that offers Snap-on Tool storage in a quick payback form, just what tech want in today’s world. That’s why we’re so popular. The 2460 can hold a significant breadth of sockets, wrenches and power tools and a variety of drawers that range from 2-inch to 3-inch to 5-inch configurations and the ultra deep compartment is designed with 5 AC outlets and 2 USB ports to ensure that electrical devices are charged and at the ready for any use at any time.
The launch was a significant success and it provides even more testimony that the Tools Group traction is to pivoting and pivoting to shorter payback items is working. Also on the shop floor, we’re products highlighting Snap-on’s customer connection. We stand next to mechanics, observing or experiencing the complexity of vehicle repair. And we use those insights game and design innovations that make work easier.
One such custom solution available at the SFC was our new S8400 quarter — half inch drive axle spindle nut cycle. That’s a mouthful. It’s manufactured right here in the USA at our Elkmont, Alabama plant. Since 2022, GM3500 heavy-duty pickups have used a unique fastener that’s very deep into the axle, inside the axle hub.
It’s a very difficult and time-consuming operation to extract it with standard tooling. So our new specialty design socket reaches in, links precisely with the embedded fastener and it makes the removal or installation safe, quick, and effortless. Each vehicle is unique, and a range of different repairs are needed as they age.
This is the mother load for a toolmaker, and Snap-on customer connection positions our teams have just the device to match the test. It’s a great advantage that was on display at the SFC and it was on display in our third quarter results. The Tools Group, pivoting to quick paybacks, launching, differentiating new products and some resilience against the headwinds.
Now for RS&I. Sales of $422.7 million in the third quarter represented an organic decline of 1.9%. Lower sales in undercar equipment and reduced activity with OEM dealerships for partially offset by higher sales and diagnostics and information products to independent shops — for independent shops. In effect, declines in hardware, balanced by gains in software.
OI for RS&I was $107.3 million, up 2.3% compared to last year despite the lower sales. And the OI margin of 25.4%, one of the group’s highest for some time, was up 110 basis points from 2023. All of it was authored by big product and RCI-driven gains in gross margins, partially offset by spending in operating expenses, gross margins up, operating expense is balancing some of it, but it was all an investment was there to maintain and extend our advantages.
And so we did — during the quarter, RS&I had launched its latest addition to our intelligent diagnostics lineup, the APOLLO+. This is a new ergonomically designed handheld that offers a two-second boot up, the fastest in the industry and a large touchscreen for improved visibility and navigation. Most importantly, the platform is powered by our proprietary intelligent diagnostics software, with almost 3 billion data records and over 400 billion unique diagnostic events, all organized to help the technicians diagnose and fix vehicles much faster.
It was introduced in mid-August, toward the end of the quarter, and it represents a tech’s most economical way to wheel the power of intelligent diagnostics. And it already has the customers’ attention. Our on-the-street feedback as a new sophisticated platform with a quick payback is a real hit, and we believe it has a great future. We’re encouraged by the strength of our handheld diagnostics and the other unique solutions we provide. And that confidence is reinforced by outside experts.
Our solar handheld was eligible for our 2024 — for the 2024 award, and it was cited by motor magazine as one of the top — of the 2024 top 20 tools. And it was also recognized by Power Tools & Equipment News or PTEN for one of its — as one of the 2024 People’s Choice Award as a distinction based on the endorsements from real technicians, actual users from all across the nation, RS&I received PTEN recognitions for its collision repair package. It’s on truck break blade. It’s heavy-duty diagnostic software, and it’s M1, Mitchell 1 shop management system, collectively this year across all our operations. Snap-on won 20 such awards.
Product is a Snap-on advantage and everybody knows it. We’re confident in the strength of RS&I, and we’ll keep driving to expand its position with fair shop owners and managers making work easier, the bay is more productive and providing the garages with a means to match the ever-growing challenge of modern vehicle repair. Well, those are the third quarter results.
Tools Group demonstrating improvement sequentially, pivoting effectively to meet customer preferences, C&I and RS&I, innovative new products, and operating efficiencies in managing the headwinds, producing benchmark OI margins, and for the overall corporation. Sales organically down 1.7%, but OpCo OI up 2.9%. OpCo OI margin of 22%, up 80 basis points. And EPS, $4.70, up 4.2%, rising over every comparison, all achieved against the win. It was another encouraging quarter.
Now I’ll turn the call over to Aldo. Aldo?
Aldo Pagliari
Thanks, Nick. Our consolidated operating results are summarized on slide 6. Net sales of $1,147 million in the quarter compared to 1,159.3 million last year, reflecting a 1.7% organic sales decline and $300,000 of unfavorable foreign currency translation, partially offset by $7.2 million of acquisition-related sales.
Despite the ongoing uncertainties of the current environment, overall sales activity in the quarter can be characterized as stable. And while our franchise van channel revenues continue to be tempered by technician confidence, the Tools Group generated higher sales sequentially versus last quarter.
Generally, the third quarter reflects lower sales dollar activity as compared to the second quarter. Consolidated gross margin improved 130 basis points to 51.2% from 49.9% last year, reflecting increased sales and higher gross margin businesses, benefits from the company’s RCI initiatives and lower material and other costs.
Operating expenses as a percentage of net sales rose 50 basis points to 29.2% from 28.7% in 2023, primarily due to the lower sales volumes. Operating earnings before financial services of $252.4 million in the quarter compared to $245.2 million in 2023. As a percentage of net sales, operating margin before financial services of 22%, represented an improvement of 80 basis points from the 21.2% reported last year.
Financial services revenues of $100.4 million in the third quarter of 2024 compared to $94.9 million last year, while operating earnings of $71.7 million compared to $69.4 million in 2023. Consolidated operating earnings of $324.1 million compared to $314.6 million last year. As a percentage of revenues, the operating earnings margin increased 90 basis points to 26% and from 25.1% in 2023.
Our third quarter effective income tax rate of 22.9% compared to 22.6% last year. Net earnings of $251.1 million compared to $243.1 million in 2023 and net earnings per diluted share of $4.70 in the quarter compared to $4.51 per diluted share last year, an increase of 4.2%.
Now let’s see to our segment results for the quarter. Starting with C&I on slide 7. Sales of $365.7 million compared to $366.4 million last year, reflecting a 2.1% organic sales decline, partially offset by $7.2 million of acquisition-related sales.
The organic decrease is primarily due to double-digit reduction with respect to intersegment sales of power tools and a mid-single-digit decline in the segment’s European-based hand tool businesses. These were partially offset by a gain in sales to customers in critical industries, including a high single-digit increase in specialty torque. With respect to critical industries, in addition to higher torque product sales, defense and aviation-related activity was strong, but it was somewhat offset by declines in the natural resources sector.
Gross margin improved 220 basis points to 41.2% in the third quarter from 39% in 2023. This was largely due to the increased sales volume and higher gross margin critical industry sectors lower material and other costs, savings from RCI initiatives and 50 basis points of benefit from acquisitions. These improvements were partially offset by 30 basis points of unfavorable foreign currency effects.
Operating expenses as a percentage of sales rose 140 basis points to 24.5% in the quarter from 23.1% in 2023, primarily due to investments in personnel and other costs and a 50-basis point impact from acquisitions. Operating earnings for the C&I segment of $61 million compared to $58.1 million last year.
The operating margin improved 80 basis points to 16.7% from 15.9% in 2023. Turning now to slide 8. Sales in the Snap-on Tools Group of $500.5 million compared to $515.4 million a year ago, reflecting a 3.1% organic sales decline and $900,000 of favorable foreign currency translation. The organic decrease reflects a mid-single-digit decline in our US business, partially offset by a low single-digit gain in our international operations.
That being said, it is meaningful to highlight that sales in a historically lower third quarter period are higher than the [$482 million] recorded in the second quarter of this year, representing a sequential increase of 3.8%. We believe this as well as the more modest year-over-year sales decline in the US van network in the third quarter than in previous quarters favorably demonstrates the resilience of this business.
Gross margin improved 100 basis points to 47.3% in the quarter from 46.3% last year, primarily due to lower material and other costs and benefits from RCI initiatives. Operating expenses as a percentage of sales rose 140 basis points to 25.7% in the quarter from 24.3% in 2023, largely due to the lower sales volume. Operating earnings for the Snap-on Tools Group of $108.3 million compared to $113.4 million last year, the operating margin of 21.6% compared to 22% in 2023.
Turning to the RS&I group shown on slide 9. Sales of $422.7 million compared to $431.8 million in 2023, reflecting a 1.9% organic sales decline and $900,000 of unfavorable foreign currency translation. The organic decrease includes a mid-single-digit decline in the sales of undercar equipment and a low single-digit reduction in activity with OEM dealerships, where we often see variability in essential tool programs from period to period. These decreases were partially offset by a low single-digit gain in sales of diagnostic and information products to independent repair shop owners and managers.
Gross margin improved 190 basis points to 47.4% from 45.5% last year, primarily reflecting increased sales of higher gross margin products. Operating expenses as a percentage of sales rose 80 basis points to 22% from 21.2% in 2023, largely due to lower sales volumes and increased personnel and other costs. Operating earnings for the RS&I group of $107.3 million compared to $104.9 million last year. The operating margin improved 110 basis points to 25.4% from the 24.3% reported last year.
Now turning to slide 10. Revenue from financial services increased $5.5 million or 5.8% to $100.4 million from $94.9 million last year, primarily reflecting the growth of the loan portfolio. Financial services operating earnings of $71.7 million compared to $69.4 million in 2023. Financial services expenses were up $3.2 million from 2023 levels, including $2.4 million of higher provisions for credit losses.
Sequentially, the provisions for credit losses were lower by $1.6 million. In the third quarters of both 2024 and 2023, the average yield on finance receivables was 17.7%. In the third quarters of 2024 and 2023, the average yield on contract receivables were 9.1% and 8.8%, respectively.
Total auto originations of $288 million in the third quarter represented a decrease of $17.2 million or 5.6% from 2023 levels, reflecting a 6.7% decline in extended credit originations and a 1.3% decrease in originations of contract receivables. The decrease in extended credit originations mostly reflects lower sales of big-ticket items. Geographically, extended credit originations were consistent with the sales activity in the Tools Group, with the decline in the US only partially offset by growth in originations internationally.
Moving to slide 11. Our quarter end balance sheet includes approximately $2.5 billion of gross financing receivables with $2.2 billion from our US operation. For extended credit or finance receivables, the US 60-day plus delinquency rate of 1.9% is up 40 basis points from the third quarter of 2023. Trailing 12-month net losses for the overall extended credit portfolio of $62.3 million represented 3.1% of outstandings at quarter end. While delinquencies and net losses are trending upward, we believe that these portfolio performance metrics remain relatively balanced considering the current environment.
Now turning to slide 12. Cash provided by operating activities of $274.2 million in the quarter represented 106% of net earnings when compared to $285.4 million last year. The decrease in cash flow as compared to the third quarter of 2023 primarily reflects increases in working investment, which were partially offset by higher net earnings.
Net cash used by investing activities of $40.5 million, mostly reflected net additions to finance receivables of $20.6 million and capital expenditures of $20.4 million. Net cash used by financing activities of $156.2 million included cash dividends of $97.9 million and the repurchase of 215,000 shares of common stock for $59.9 million under our existing share repurchase programs.
As of quarter end, we had remaining availability to repurchase up to an additional $471.5 million of common stock under our existing authorizations, including under the $500 million authorization recently approved by the Board of Directors in August of this year.
Turning to slide 13. Trade and other accounts receivable increased $5.1 million from 2023 year-end days sales outstanding of 61 days compared to 60 days at year-end 2023. Inventories decreased $10.1 million from 2023 year-end. On a trailing 12-month basis, inventory turns of 2.3 remained unchanged from year-end. Our quarter-end cash position of $1,313.3 million compared to $1,001.5 million at year-end 2023.
In addition to cash and expected cash flow from operations, we have more than $900 million available under our credit facilities. As of quarter end, there were no amounts outstanding under the credit facility, and there were no commercial paper borrowings outstanding.
That concludes my remarks on our third quarter performance. I’ll now briefly review a few outlook items for 2024. For the full year, we expect that capital expenditures will be approximately $100 million. And we currently anticipate that our full-year 2024 effective income tax rate will be in the range of 22% to 23%.
Finally, with respect to corporate cost, we would expect expenses in the upcoming fourth quarter to be more in line with those incurred in the third quarter of this year as the fourth quarter of 2023 included some benefit for the recovery of cost associated with a legal matter, which will not repeat.
I’ll now turn the call back to Nick for his closing thoughts. Nick?
Nicholas Pinchuk
Well, thanks, Aldo. Well, that’s our quarter, resilience against the turbulence. We believe the period demonstrated that with great clarity, sales attenuated. But great products, solving critical pass material savings and RCI drove strong and substantial gains in gross margins, strong enough that we’re able to keep investing in our product, brand and our people, maintaining and building them for the opportunities to come and still increase OI margins significantly
And all of that was authored by the ongoing characteristics of the Snap-on enterprise. Businesses that are strategically positioned for advantage for establishing and maintaining ongoing connections to the customers, processes embedded in Snap-on Value Creation that really do deliver progress every day, and a very capable team that’s committed to our enterprise, greatly experience and battle tested and is well able to consistently marshal advantage to drive — for driving positive outcomes. And you see that all across the corporation.
C&I sales down low single digits for profit, OI margin, 16.7%, up 80 basis points. Gross margins up 220 basis points, gains from yielding customization in the critical industry. The Tools Group, meeting all the challenges of the day, executing the pivot to quick payback items causing the sales gap and displaying momentum. Sales down low single digits. OI margin is 21.6%, down 40 basis points, but gross margins up 100 basis points. RS&I, wielding its advantage with software. Sales down low single digits, but profits up an OI margin of 25.4%, up 110 basis points, and gross margins up 190 basis points, and they all came together with corporation.
Sales are tenured, lower by 1.7% organically, but OI rising from last year. OI margins reaching 22%, up 80 basis points and gross margins up triple-digit basis points all across the corporation. And an EPS of $4.70, up versus every — up over every comparison, it was another encouraging quarter.
And we believe that propelled by our decisive advantage in our product, in our brands, and our people, all maintained and strengthened even in the turbulence, Snap-on will continue its momentum so clearly demonstrated in the quarter and extend and the positive performance well on through the days and years to come.
Now before I turn the call over to the operator, I want to speak directly to our franchisees and associates. As always, I know many of you are listening. Our quarter demonstrates that Snap-on does indeed prevail in turbulence. And once again, you are the creators of that result, hard won.
For your achievements and altering our success, you have my congratulations. For the skill, energy and experience you bring to bear every day on behalf of our team, you have my admiration and for your unshakable confidence in and dedication to the future of our enterprise, you have my thanks.
Now I’ll turn the call over to the operator. Operator?
Question and Answer Session
Operator
(Operator Instructions) Christopher Glynn, Oppenheimer.
Christopher Glynn
Good morning, Nick. I wanted to dive into the kind of seasonal strength at SOT. Does that feel like kind of reset baseline for normal seasonal kind of pattern from here? We usually have a fourth quarter lift or maybe that gets into what the sell-in, sell-through was in the third quarter, too, and if that needs to be tested on the sell-through in the current quarter.
Nicholas Pinchuk
The sell-through, as you know, hasn’t been — the sales off the van for sometime have been a little bit more than our sales to the van. In this particular quarter, it was slightly reversed in that situation. The sales to the van were a little bit better. But the third quarter is kind of a hard one to predict. I always call it quarterly in that situation.
So we — if it wasn’t for the third quarter, I think this is much more definitive, but it’s clear that the Tools Group is doing better, certainly did better in the third quarter. And we have not seen a third quarter over the second quarter in a broad range, except for the one in the COVID where we had — we came out in the V-shaped recovery in the third quarter. But you’re going to look back for a long time and you don’t see that. And this is the total group and it’s the US in general. And so we view it as some momentum.
The question is, I suppose, will they be able to continue that momentum where we think they can we like their products, and we like the fact that doing this has come out of their profitability, up 100 basis points they got a little bit of volume impact, but the 100 basis points of gross margin yielded by great new products and the manufacturing efficiencies in some ways that come out of the new expansions that are more productive than you all in across the major plants in the United States. So we think things are moving positively. But we don’t give guidance, but I like our chances going forward for the tools.
Christopher Glynn
Sounds great. And then just switching on RS&I. It’s been very sturdy run rate, third quarter, a bit of a step down, historically not much routine seasonality, but 3Q last year also kind of deviated a little lower versus the way the business had been trending. So curious if you can offer any insights around that. Maybe does it feel like the equipment side is entering an interim pause after some steady customers recapitalizing.
Nicholas Pinchuk
Well, I’d say you look, I think the thing as I stated, that the — I’ve said in my very simple hardware down, software up. So the hardware piece is the equipment piece, and that was — there was some attenuation of that. Some of that can be seasonal. I don’t know. I wouldn’t hang my hat on that, but there is a little bit of headwind in the third quarter. Vacations to happen in the garages and so on and stuff like that. But I think there is some uncertainty in the garages that may weigh on that, and we’ll see how that plays out going forward.
Look, I think the other piece of it is the OEM lumpy business, which kind of hit a flat spot in this quarter, but we don’t think that that’s going to be continuing every quarter. It’s just that it’s lumpy, and we happen to catch a lump — downward lump depression in this quarter. But the real good thing is if you look at the software businesses, you look at the diagnostics business, the Mitchell — those businesses — the diagnostics and information, which is Mitchell in diagnostics itself, the repair shop owners and managers are up and those things are profitable.
And then you have the sales — sales of parts — electronic products, catalogs and another software piece, and it up. And if you look at the software in the Tools Group associated with Diagnostics, yeah, it’s — we’re increasing the — we’re following hardware launches, but increasingly, the software looks pretty strong.
And if you look at the software and the diagnostics, just in the tools business, that’s a pretty good piece of business that’s up year over year, and that helped drive some of the profitability in the Tools Group. So I feel pretty good about RS&I. I’m not so worried about it. I think — and by the way, if you could trade off the software businesses at high margins for a little bit of turbulence in the hardware business when you do it, I would.
Operator
Gary Prestopino, Barrington Research.
Gary Prestopino
Hey, good morning, all. In your narrative, you did kind give us a peak here as to what this pivot in the Tools Group, how it impacted the quarter and on a quarterly basis, sequentially, you were up $18 million. Is — could you maybe just help us here? Was the majority of that sequential increase due to the pivot in sales?
Nicholas Pinchuk
A lot of it was. Hand tools were the strongest category in this quarter. And it was a bigger — why we — why you can see the pivot is when you look at it all, I don’t like parsing those numbers because it would be a little bit squarely from quarter-to-quarter, but really, hand tools represented a major mix of Tools Group sales for the franchisees in this quarter than for — I think all the way back to the pandemic.
And so that is helping drive this. That is the real testimony to the pivot because that is what we wanted to have happened because this is what customers are ready to buy, and that helps a lot of that situation plus it helps the margins.
Gary Prestopino
Is it safe to say that a lot of this was due to new products coming into the market that you’ve introduced?
Nicholas Pinchuk
Well, I think yeah, and also promotions. — overlay, look, we have 4,500 products, I think SKUs displayed in our tool show at the SFC, and all 4,500 were new in some way. Now I’m not saying it will all breakthrough products. But the 500 of the 4,500 franchisees could say, I’m offering our customers something they couldn’t quite have before.
And so that qualifies as something new, and it gives you something to sell, and that helped push some of this. And a lot of that was in that area. Although promotion can also make hand tools look good, if you strike the right cord — buy a set of hand tools, you get a dinner with Allopagliari, for example. This will sell a lot of things.
Gary Prestopino
That’s — I buy a whole Snap-on toolbox of tools just to do that. The last question is it seems like you’ve kind of talked about your torque products in C&I over the last couple of quarters. Now has that — is something changing in the market that is moving more towards specialty torque. I know your developed products, and obviously, you’ve made some acquisitions in that area. But could you just help us out on what kind of secular tailwinds there are that’s driving for.
Nicholas Pinchuk
I can answer that and asking you a question. Can you say the word Boeing?
Gary Prestopino
Yeah.
Nicholas Pinchuk
I think this is — it’s a little bit like — but this is kind of an example. I think people are becoming more and more aware that the mechanisms throughout critical industries are more and more complex and therefore, precision has to be greater than may have been applied in the past. So one, we need more precise tools and torque wrenches are an element of that or a deliverer of that and the more accurate they are, the wider range, they are, the better you’re able to do that in your operations. That’s number one.
And then the second one, Gary, is everybody wants to say, if something goes wrong, I want to be able to tell people that I did the right product. I did the right thing. I performed the test and a lot of our products connect with the central system in a factory recording and documenting that the torque, the fasteners are applied correctly. And that’s helping drive it. So the combination of the [IV] being accurate in the moment and being able to do it with accuracy and ease on the line.
And secondly, the document is helping torque go upwards. And that business grew both in profits and sales in the quarter, we like it. And as you know, we’ve been investing and doing it. We’ve been making quite a few investments. I mean acquisitions and in expanding that business, we like that as a business going forward, and it’s essential in critical industries in a lot of different places.
Operator
David MacGregor, Longbow Research.
David MacGregor
Hey, good morning. I wonder if you could just — a couple of just questions for the model. SFC order growth, I mean, you indicated last year in the third quarter, you saw a mid-single-digit growth. Can you just give us some sense of what that order growth or decline might have looked like this year? And just also with respect to — so it was flat year over year or it was up mid-single to last year?
Nicholas Pinchuk
It was flat year over year. So it’s same as — so in other words, we thought last year was a pretty good one. The products that came out of the SFC, people slammed into the wall of uncertainty that they saw, say, sometime in like NAV, and they started to back away from their orders. Remember, the SFC, sales, it’s orders. And so of course, we’ve taken a lot of orders or better than open and I with a sharp stick, but — so we felt pretty good. Now this year, we don’t think there’s any surprises on the horizon and people still order about the same amount.
David MacGregor
When you think about the fulfillment on those orders from SFC this year and sort of the cadence of the timing of those orders, will there be anything different in terms of the pattern as they fall across 3Q and 4Q than last year, maybe.
Nicholas Pinchuk
The little difference is this, is that we didn’t push it out quite as far — and so it’s a little shorter period. And we’ve planned some reinforcing promotions in between just that built and suspenders on this kind of thing. So we’ll see how that plays out. That’s the — in terms of tools talk, that’s what we’re doing.
But in general, David, it’s all okay, we got the same amount of orders as last year. If people don’t see the same alarming uncertainty arising in front of them theoretically, it should go better. If they — but on the other hand, you never know until you know in that situation.
David MacGregor
So I just want to clarify, you got about the same number of orders as you did last year, but you shipped a little more in 3Q versus 4Q this year than you would have last year is what you’re saying?
Nicholas Pinchuk
No, I’m not saying that. Yes, I am saying that. But when I say the same, I mean about the same amount of orders adjusted for the time that we sold these things. So you’re saying, okay, maybe last year, we sold in a couple — we had orders out in a couple of weeks in January. This year, we didn’t have that. So when I say the same, I’m kind of rating it out over the shorter period, and that’s the same.
David MacGregor
Okay. And then a question for Aldo, on the Snap-on Tools gross profits up 100 basis points. You called out in your slide deck, price cost of raw materials and RCI, you didn’t mention the category mix with the stronger hand tools versus say, diagnostics. Is that just an oversight? Or is there something that we should read into the way you –?
Aldo Pagliari
(multiple speakers) I think that the product line, the efficiency across the board is better. Broadly speaking, the cost of steel is down, particularly in some of the cold rolled sheet steel that we use in the Algona factory, but that’s one of the key contributors. And this are a little bit more efficient with some of the new factory arrangements. Some of that investment has resulted in slightly better efficiencies. So they’re just a little bit better at delivering the demand that was in front of them. And the product mix is (technical difficulty). Yes, hand tools gives you a little bit of favorability, but they — it was across the board.
David MacGregor
Okay. It sounds like maybe that category mix is not quite as big a contributor this quarter as it has been in previous quarters, your assessment?
Nicholas Pinchuk
No. I won’t necessarily say that. I don’t know where you get that I did. I mean the point is that these three pieces of this, as Aldo just said, it’s the category mix, the product mix. There was — as I said, there’s efficiencies in the factory that are in there, RCI and the fact in, there’s some material costs. So there are three things put you, you’re talking about the 100-basis point improvement, right? Yes, there’s three things — when I was talking about in terms of anise profitability is an indication of the effect of the pivot. So that helped our sales.
David MacGregor
Next question for me just on fourth quarter, the Snap-on Tools segment again, you’ve got an easier compare on a year-over-year basis. You talked about the third quarter truck restock going on. I guess, how are you thinking about the growth puts and takes for 4Q in Snap-on tools?
Nicholas Pinchuk
Well, look — that’s a tough quarter — look, we don’t give guidance. There are a lot of variables going forward, but I like our chances. I’ll say it looks, if you’re talking about the Snap-on Tools Group, the Tools Group seems to have momentum. So if you were me and you were sitting here and saying, look, I’m confronted with uncertainty, people want to go to lower payback items.
I’ve seen our ability to cater to that to meet that — to match that requirement. I’ve seen the factories come on stream. I’ve seen us launch new products that are compelling and strong. So I like where we’re going on this. I believe we’re going forward with momentum. I can’t predict the slope of the curve.
David MacGregor
Right. Okay. Last question for me. I wonder if you could just update us on franchisee attrition trends and — can you just talk about what the typical experience is with growth performance when that route comes back to (multiple speakers) –?
Nicholas Pinchuk
It’s been about the same. It’s been about the same for some time. It moves tenth of a point from quarter-to-quarter and the fill rate varies depending on well, can you find people, how are you — we don’t like the lower standards and if people leave in a certain area, do we have people in that area, we can easily find and that’s what drives the variation from quarter to quarter. I think that’s — one of the good things in the quarter was we saw the number of assistance as a percent of franchisees grow some.
So I like that structural point of view. Maybe a number of basis points. So upwards. The percentage seems to be moving upward in his era. So I view that as kind of a sub rows a favorable event that when we get all of this uncertainty, that’s going to accrue to our benefit.
David MacGregor
Right. And the repurchase of inventory from exiting franchisees, did that impact the growth number this quarter?
Nicholas Pinchuk
I — there was some of that. There was some of that, but I wouldn’t have called a significant change year-over-year or quarter-to-quarter, some of it. But I — we don’t really — we haven’t seen it to be something that I would report to the world and say, oh, that’s a significant thing. You want to consider it. It hasn’t changed much. It can change from time to time, but not this quarter wasn’t.
Operator
Luke Junk, Baird.
Luke Junk
Good morning, Nick. Thanks for taking question. I’ll catch up with you too. First one for me is on the Tools Group, 3Q up versus 2Q, a great outcome. Obviously, most years, it’s the opposite, as you noted. I want to focus on the execution side, clearly, the focus on quicker payback items is the same, but just the enabling activities, what do you think were the bigger contributors. Is it the capacity expansions helping incrementally in Milwaukee, especially, can you tie it back to getting the mix of promotions, right? Is there something we should be looking at the tool carts? Is it all the above, Nick, one thing you spike out.
Nicholas Pinchuk
It’s probably some of all of that. But look, I think the thing is that we — it’s a combination of product development pivoting the — pivoting to producing some of the more popular products in the midst of a factory expansion, no easy exercise or a plant manager. And those two things kind of came together with, as Aldo said, a range of things. We had RCI up and down the corporate, both from a design point of view.
So we design new products. In some cases, it allowed us to take advantage of material cost reductions. And so a lot of that all came together in this situation, driving the gross margin profitability 100 basis points. If you’re talking about making the pivot in the sales, you’re talking about pretty much getting closer to those quicker payback items and making them work and the factory being able to deliver better because we expanded the capacity.
Remember, we entered this whole thing up to eyeballs in orders, and we couldn’t deliver it. So we expanded the capacity, and that’s all sort of normalizing out and the factories are able to get more in sync with the new products coming out, we’re able to deliver better and that’s working.
Luke Junk
Got it. And then second, if you could just double click on what you’re seeing within diagnostics. Specifically, you can see the number, obviously, in RS&I, but I’m wondering about Tools Group as well. RS&I flip from down mid-single digit last quarter to now up low single digit. Apollo pluses out there right now is a newer product. Is that what we’re seeing in the RS&I number incrementally does Tools Group benefit from that as well, Nick.
Nicholas Pinchuk
Tools Group does benefit. In other words, one of the good things in the quarter is year-over-year diagnostics were relatively stronger mainly on the launch of the APOLLO+. I’m not saying they were incandescent, but they were they were pretty good in this quarter and it kind of artificially — plus with the APOLLO+ seemed to launch pretty well.
It’s early days because it’s just introduced at the SFC, people got to see the guys on the floor, plug-in into cars — how our databases can be wheeled and it’s better, it gives some great advantage. Sp they went to the field and to ask you about that. So the sale was up substantially year over year, and the activations are up nicely in the quarter.
So at least the launch look pretty good. You got to see how it plays out and how much legs it has, but we — what we like about it is it’s the most cost-effective way to get intelligent diagnostics. And we think that tagline has some appeal. Has considerable appeal in the market. So that works pretty well.
The other thing, though, that I think can get lost is in a number of different ways inside the Tools Group, which bleeds into both groups in RS&I and C&I, I mean, and Tools Group is the ride of software. Subscriptions are up substantially. Titles are down, but in general, software growth is up nicely. And I don’t have to tell you that, that’s a nice profitability across the corporation. So that’s another factor going on in Tools.
Operator
Brett Jordan, Jefferies.
Brett Jordan
Hey, good morning, guys. In the Tools Group, I mean, you talked about improving momentum, is that mix in the sense that the low value or the quick payback product is gaining share? Are you seeing sort of a sentiment change at the shop level. So it still seems like traffic is pretty sluggish from talking to parts distributors and the collision industry still down. Is it mix? Or is the mechanic sentiment improving?
Nicholas Pinchuk
Mechanics sentiment is not improving. The garage sales, I don’t know who you’re talking to, but the garages seems to be filled. The purchase of capital capital type equipment in the garages like collision is down. And actually it’s kind of off the bubble a little bit netman equipment group. But the sentiment of the technician — remember, we’re dealing with the techs in terms of Tools Group. You’re not seeing that change very much.
What you’re seeing, though, is the Tools Group pivoting its emphasis to try to present the people attractive and buy now ideas that they don’t have to finance for three years. They can just deal with in 15 weeks. And so that’s what we always said would work, and it has been working.
So that’s what you see that come back. And for us, I don’t know if you call it the whole conversation, but for us, one of the real indicators of momentum at least improvement and the traction that you’re seeing in that pivot is the idea that the third quarter is up over the second quarter. We have seen that. And so that has to say there’s some momentum in this situation. But it doesn’t have to do with the attitudes get better.
Brett Jordan
Yes. The guys who sell parts to the garage I say it’s pretty sluggish. I guess, although on the corporate expense modeling, I mean, could you help us a little bit with ’25 just given the variation in that. Is there running Q3 to Q4 sort of flat, is that a rate we should continue into next year?
Aldo Pagliari
I’d say a little bit of hope here in my voice is that, but one of the reasons that we’re lower this year is lower performance-based compensation expense. So as we reset our plan objectives for 2025, you usually start the year assuming you’re going to hit a target. So that means if that were the case, I’d more model 27-ish per quarter, something in that range. That’s how I would think about that, Brett. But this year, we’re not growing as fast as we had expected coming into the year, and therefore, that’s one of the key reasons why there’s a performance-based compensation differences.
Luke Junk
Okay. Another quick question. I guess, election outcome is one better for you than another. If we’re going to tariff imported everything, does that make the tools business less competitive or –? What do you think about that?
Nicholas Pinchuk
Who knows? You know what I mean these guys — look. Okay, you hear so many different things. We’re not going to tax tips. We’re not going to tax over time. We’re going to control prices. We’re going to ding the supermarket. We’re going to tax unrealized capital gains. We’re going to tariff the world. Welcome to the Mad Hatter tea party.
Nobody knows what actually is going to happen. So you can’t even make a pronouncement. Each of these could be — we want to raise corporate types. Each of these could be attenuating or not. It really depends on the details. I don’t think you can discern anything from what these guys have been saying.
Of course, if they tear off everything in the world, that’s probably — it will take some adjustment for that. It will take some adjustment for sure, but maybe it helps people who sell in the markets where they produce. Sometimes that can happen over time. But boy, I’ll tell you what, that’s a torturous set of assumptions you have to make to come to any conclusion about which person would be best or would help us or hurt us.
Operator
Carolina Jolly, Gabelli.
Carolina Jolly
Thank you for taking my question. So it sounds like within RS&I, software and Diagnostics, the higher-margin business is doing well. But can you remind me what’s kind of happening in terms of the hardware in that business.
Nicholas Pinchuk
Say that again, please? I lost the last — you can remind me what — remind you of what.
Carolina Jolly
What’s kind of happening in the hardware part of the business, the areas that might be a little more sluggish?
Nicholas Pinchuk
Well, look, I don’t know, equipment was going gang busters for a long time. That’s undercar equipment. It’s like aligners and collision equipment and lifts and those kinds of things. And some of those product characters are up. lifts happen to be up a little bit, but — in general, these are capital-light expansions, capital like expansions in a garage. They’re fairly big ticket items, and they’re sold through direct and through distributors to the actual repair shop owners or manager.
And what we’re seeing here is a little back off an attitude. Some of it can be associated with the macro environment. Some of it could be saying, a, I don’t know. Do I want to install something now and finance it at this level when the Feds are going to keep dropping interest rates by 50-point increments, and maybe I’ll wait a little while.
So our reports are a little bit like that, that people are saying, I need to put new stuff in because the complexity of the new vehicles need changes to manage it just I want to wait a little bit. Now on top of that, on top of that, you would say that CDK’s disruption, and some of our people do say this, CDK’s disruption in the quarter turn dealerships. I think there were 40% of the dealerships turned dealership attention away from saying adding a lift or an aligner to just trying to stay at their head above water while they didn’t have a computer system.
So some of that probably was in the quarter, it’s hard to really document that and I don’t know how much it was, but that was certainly — that wasn’t a favorable event for us that happened in the quarter. I’m trying to hang the reduction on that, but that piled on top of the uncertainty. So that’s what’s happening. And we would think though that — we kind of think this is a shorter-term than, say, the technicians worries — a little bit more solvable.
It probably gets solvable by maybe somewhat by the election and maybe somewhat by interest rates being more definitive. In the technicians, you’re more talking about broadband news for breakfast, things like, okay, two wars, the border is lousy, everything seems to be crushing down. I mean, we don’t know what’s going to happen in 15 weeks after 15 weeks. It’s a little bit different.
Operator
This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Sara Verbsky for any closing remarks.
Sara Verbsky
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Operator
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